Saturday, November 04, 2006

A quick response to "Fucktard Slanders Michael Jordan":

It’ll come as no surprise to anyone (except the fans of this and similarly degrading websites) to learn how out of step its administrators are with the world beyond U.S. borders—with its very big guns, its captive population, and its bunker-mentality.

But is this also true of the Chicago Sun-Times’s sports columnist, Jay Mariotti?[1]

It wouldn’t surprise me. Let's see.

As the November 3 London Guardian reported,[2] an opinion survey just conducted in Canada, Mexico, Israel, and the U.K. “exposes high levels of distrust” towards the Americans. Outside the United States and similar cultural backwaters, it seems that the majority of the world’s population fears Kim Jong-il less than it fears George Bush and the rest of the Gomers in Washington. And if the rest of the world weren’t bombarded by U.S. cultural products daily, incessantly promoting the American logo, and peddling the latest American lie, the results of opinion surveys such as this one would be far more in favor of just about anyone but the Americans.

“In Britain,” The Guardian continued, “69% of those questioned say they believe US policy has made the world less safe since 2001….The finding is mirrored in America's immediate northern and southern neighbours, Canada and Mexico, with 62% of Canadians and 57% of Mexicans saying the world has become more dangerous because of US policy. Even in Israel, which has long looked to America to guarantee national security, support for the US has slipped. Only one in four Israeli voters say that Mr Bush has made the world safer, outweighed by the number who think he has added to the risk of international conflict, 36% to 25%.”

Given these expressions of fear and concern, an intelligent questioner might inquire as to which regime poses the greater threat to international peace and security: The one in Pyongyang? Or the one in Washington? And why? Crucially, according to what kind of evidence should we base our answer to a question such as this?

(Short answer: Simply take a look at which of these two states possesses the greater resources for violence and destruction at its command.[3] As always in American propaganda, the alleged threat to international peace and security is said to be posed by the state then targeted for demonization and worse. (Recall the kind of propaganda in circulation about Iraq four years ago.[4]) While in the real world, the actual threat to international peace and security is posed by whatever military actions the Americans might undertake against the targeted state.)

But it never dawns on you Weird Internet Creatures to laugh at Jay Mariotti over his quite ignorant reference to the leader of North Korea, whose “weapons of mass destruction,” Mariotti appears to believe, are a threat to the world.

Now. An intelligent critic would have noticed this howler above all. Instead, you Weird Internet Creatures joined Mariotti in swallowing the Kim Jong-il Kool-Aid. While you took him to task over nothing (i.e., he “slanders Michael Jordan”).[5] Oh, my.

It seems that the Sun-Times’s sports columnist isn’t the only person holed up in a bunker.

By now, it must be getting pretty stuffy down there.


David Peterson
Chicago, USA


[1] “MJ’s latest ‘job’ another bad fit,” Jay Mariotti, Chicago Sun-Times, November 2, 2006.

[2] “British believe Bush is more dangerous than Kim Jong-il,” Julian Glover, The Guardian, November 3, 2006. By the way, I say this survey’s findings are true of the majority of the world outside the United States, reasoning that if in the United Kingdom and Canada, the Bush regime is regarded as a greater threat to peace and security than either Kim Jong-il or Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, then it’s a safe bet that a majority of the world’s population feels this way, too. The British and the Canadians being very close allies of the United States. So if the Bush regime can't hang onto them, it's lost just about everybody.—For the archives of one very fine opinion research organization, see the Program on International Policy Attitudes. The real world is nothing like the world inhabited by the Weird Internet Creatures.

[3] For some help in answering this question, consider the data maintained jointly by the very good people at the Natural Resources Defense Council and the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists: "Global Nuclear Stockpiles, 1945 - 2006," Robert S. Norris and Hans M. Kristensen, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, July/August, 2006. Of course, North Korea’s small (“subkiloton”) nuclear weapon test last month means that now, North Korea must be moved from one column of the ledger to another. But that is all. Otherwise, North Korea is a pipsqueak on the world stage. Being a member of the original "Axis of Evil" meaning only that North Korea ranks as one from among many targets the Americans have selected.

[4] As the American President said before the UN General Assembly in September, 2002: "We know that Saddam Hussein pursued weapons of mass murder even when inspectors were in his country. Are we to assume that he stopped when they left? The history, the logic, and the facts lead to one conclusion: Saddam Hussein's regime is a grave and gathering danger. To suggest otherwise is to hope against the evidence. To assume this regime's good faith is to bet the lives of millions and the peace of the world in a reckless gamble. And this is a risk we must not take. Delegates to the General Assembly, we have been more than patient. We've tried sanctions. We've tried the carrot of oil for food, and the stick of coalition military strikes. But Saddam Hussein has defied all these efforts and continues to develop weapons of mass destruction. The first time we may be completely certain he has a -- nuclear weapons is when, God forbids, he uses one." ("President's Remarks at the United Nations General Assembly," September 12, 2002.) Of course, we ought always to pay very close attention to history, logic, and facts, and to base our concluions on what they reveal. In September, 2002, what they revealed was that the regime in Baghdad was a grave and gathering danger to no one; and that for the Americans to have stated otherwise was to lie, and to lie on a monumental scale. For two partial summaries of the record in reference to these monmumental lies, see "'Intelligence' and the Invasion of Iraq," ZNet, April 1, 2005; and "The Downing Street Memos," ZNet, June 15, 2005. And though rendered somewhat outdated by subsequent releases of documents (i.e., the so-called "Downing Street" documents of 2005), also see Hoodwinked: The Documents that Reveal How Bush Sold Us a War, John Prados (New Press, 2004).

[5] For the record, the single greatest insult ever directed toward Michael Jordan (‘slander’ being a ridiculous word) came from the mouth of his then-employer, Jerry Reinsdorf. According to Jordan’s 1998 book, For the Love of the Game (Crown), before Jordan left the room after signing what would be his last contract with the Bulls to play in the 1997 – 1998 season, “Jerry [Reinsdorf] said something I'll never forget. It changed my opinion of him. We shook hands and he said, ‘At some point in time, I know I'm going to regret what we just did’. After all these years, after all these championships, after all I had tried to do for the Bulls' organization, after all those years of being underpaid and you regret paying me market value? It was like a punch in the heart. His greed was deeper than his respect for me."

The same story was first reported in a long profile of Jordan written by Henry Louis Gates Jr. for the New Yorker (June 1, 1998), which came out shortly before the Bulls’ sixth championship was in the books. (Sadly, I don't believe that an online copy of Gates's profile is available.)

Here was how Jay Mariotti handled Jordan's allegation at the time (“Order is restored to Bulls' chaotic world,” Chicago Sun-Times, May 28, 1998):


Those blindly convinced that Jordan will return [for the 1998 – 1999 season] should locate the latest edition of The New Yorker, of all mags, where Jordan blisters Reinsdorf with some of his nastiest missiles yet. They also should listen to Reinsdorf's response: Jordan, in relating a damning story about Reinsdorf, wasn't telling the truth. Is Uncle Jerry accusing Michael of lying?

This could become very ugly, the pin being pulled from the grenade.

When you're done reading everything, it's hard to believe Jordan would want to come back. It's also hard to believe Reinsdorf will want him back. Know how he gushes about his "wonderful" relationship with Mike? Forget it. Jordan thinks Reinsdorf is as small as the rest of us do. He has ripped his boss before, but never with the personal hurt and disgust conveyed when recalling what should have been a happy time in his career, the signing of his first $ 30 million-plus deal two summers ago.

Said Jordan: "We shook hands, but one comment stuck with me when we left, and I lost total respect for him when he said it: 'At some point in time I know I'm going to regret what we just did.'

"And I'm saying, all these years where you knew I was underpaid and you have been making money and your organization's moved from a $15 million business when you bought it to a $200 million business -- all those years have just gone down the drain because you have for once paid me my value. And you regretted that! That hit me so deep inside -- that sense of greed, of disrespect for me."

Some gratitude, huh? The gall of Reinsdorf. When he should be kissing Jordan's shoes, thanking him for the wealth and prestige and success he has brought to his life, Reinsdorf says he's going to regret paying Jordan what he deserved? Is there a one-way train station around? For years, Jordan had been woefully underpaid but refrained from balking, even after Reinsdorf refused to grant him a balloon payment when such gifts were permissible in collective bargaining. Certainly, Jordan deserves these blockbuster one-year wages. And to think Reinsdorf, at the time, told us how happy he was to give Jordan his just rewards.

What a joke.

16 Comments:

Blogger Unknown said...

David - Blogger was not allowing us to post your comment (which we received 4 or 5 times). That was not by design on our part. Apparently there was an upgrade down to this website server this afternoon which may or may not be related to the moderating control function.

We intend to post your comments and this is already in the works.

Sun Nov 05, 08:19:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

Posted!

Thanks for your "patience".

BTW - Blogger really did change the moderator function.

Sun Nov 05, 09:29:00 PM  
Blogger A Personal Ad said...

Weird Internet Creatures:

Oh, I do believe you. Blogger's comment facility kept telling me that it was temporarily unable to accept any comments. So this is not an issue.

As for those weird Internet symbols that infected my comment--I have no idea what causes them. But they do mar your website. Apologies for this.

Maybe you should just delete this garbled comment of mine and let a link to my response stand (i.e., in the form of a very short and simple comment to your earlier post)?

Thanks.


David Peterson
Chicago

Mon Nov 06, 08:27:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

David,

We are treating you with respect!

Why do you insist on slandering us as "weird"?

Later,

the internet creatures

Mon Nov 06, 09:45:00 AM  
Blogger A Personal Ad said...

Weird Internet Creatures:

But you've accepted two-thirds of Jay Mariotti's original characterization of that sect of the online community that worries about his commentaries way more than reason suggests it should (i.e., "Contrary to weird Internet creatures who monitor my every word...," August 14).

Just sticking to sports in the Chicago area, there are so many bigger fish to fry. And on just about any given day.

Besides, if WEIRDNESS (loosely used--OBSESSIVENESS being another) doesn't explain this single-minded focus of multiple websites, then what does?

It sure isn't the importance of the commentaries that explains this focus.

So what drives it? What sustains it?


David Peterson
Chicago

Mon Nov 06, 10:40:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

David,

Read my introductory post from a week ago for my take on the role and mission of Jay the Joke. They do not portend a set of hard-and-fast guidleines for the site, but do serve as a response to your questions about what should drive and sustain a site with such a narrow focus.

Yes, David, there are bigger fish to fry in the world, but what good do well-sourced-but-rambling diatribes do if nobody reads them? I'm idealistic enough to believe the majority of Americans are intelligent people with strong opinions and a desire to do more with their lives than save up for a new plasma screen. The problem is the newstainment complex has cornered and collared every noteworthy media outlet, from newspapers and radio stations to publishing houses and movie studios. Sure, you can sit there and tell me that people are too dumb to find intelligent work like yours on the Internet, and Americans are too simplistic to plumb the depths of your labor, but I believe people learn and grow from discussion and debate, from participating in vast public forums. Your politically-motivated treatises do nothing but polarize Americans. Instead of fostering community, they discourage it.

Jay the Joke is a public forum started by a special interest group designed to strike back at a person that the group feels does not represent their interests well. No, Chicago sports is not a topic that will lead to betterment of mankind, but it is a topic that fules passion in a large number of people, an avenue from which people of many different walks of life derive common experiences in this increasingliy fractured world.

You are an intelligent, hard-working person with a lot to say. Voices like yours are more than welcome in our forum. Please remember that to speak to the masses, to affect change, you must walk amongst your fellow souls sharing your brief visit to consciousness.

robnail (Jay the Joke poster)

Mon Nov 06, 11:33:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

David,

This is your weblog and these comments will be presented in a non-profane manner out of respect.

The bigger issue perhaps is WHY DO YOU spend so much time monitoring Jay the Joke?

Mariotti relates absolutely nothing to the Chicago sports fan and cannot present a consistent coherent opinion on any matter. Other than a shared passion of contempt for Jerry Reinsdorf (which has nothing to do with your articulated arguments), Mariotti certainly does not represent you either. Trees are dying every day to print his garbage.

And if the First Amendment protects his right to criticize and slander people for a living, then it just seems fair that he receive the same treatment in kind.

Mariotti even whined in his own column* about this criticism. That is pretty weak for a so-called columnist*.

If he can dish it out, he sure as hell better be able to accept to take it in return.

It seems equally strange to some us that you expend a seemingly enormous amount of energy and time(such as emailing reports to the Chicago Reader about the weblog)discretely monitoring "the monitors" that pick apart the columns*.

Just asking.

And as a personal observation, it does seem that you take everything written on these blogs overtly serious.

Matters such as Iraq warrant mature discussion. People are dying.

However, us Internet creatures ranting about Mariotti should be taken with an appropriate grain of salt and perhaps a tiny shred of humor even if derived from a toilet?

Just a casual suggestion.

Mon Nov 06, 01:58:00 PM  
Blogger A Personal Ad said...

Weird Internet Creatures:

Thanks for the non-profane thing. Except that I’m not the Gestapo. Much less the Girl Scouts. So the choice, ultimately, rest in your hands.

There are many things which I keep up with. What called the Jay The Joke website to my attention was (as I’ve stated previously) Teddy Greenstein’s very favorable profile in the June 27 Chicago Tribune. Up till then, I had never even heard of Deadspin, let alone Jay The Joke. But since then checking Jay The Joke has been a snap. So very little labor is involved.

About your third paragraph: I’ll bet that whatever you write that’s credible and true about Mariotti’s work also could be written about most of the other columnists (sports or otherwise) writing for the Sun-Times and Trib—and beyond. (In fact, the vast bulk of my real work is expended doing just this.) And by the way: Not only does Mariotti not “represent” me. But once again, this is probably true of most or all of his colleagues. These are establishment figures, after all. But as far as I’m aware, they’re not subjected to websites comparable to Jay The Joke. (Or, if they are, the Trib’s sports pages haven’t produced favorable profiles of them.)

Your fourth paragraph is only partly true: The United States does have laws against slander - libel. Though it is my belief that we are all better off when these laws are left unused.

I don’t know what incident your fifth paragraph refers to. Though the principle you’re stating throughout is perfectly sound: IF YOU CAN’T TAKE IT, DON’T DISH IT OUT. (Actually, as I recall, in the immediate aftermath of the June 20 incident with Ozzie Guillen, the Sun-Times ran only letters that dished-it-out on their sports columnist. After which, the editors shut down the whole Mariotti thing.)

You mentioned The Reader. But I happen to participate in a very lively Internet community (none of its weird) in which email is used for circulating loads of material that, just a few years ago, all of us would have had to be paying subscribers to receive, and none of us would have been able to share with the others, except by taking great pains to physically reproduce the material and mail it via the postal service. After I first caught the favorable Greenstein profile (June 27), I didn’t trust it, and so I wanted to learn who else writing for the Chicago-area print media might be interested in exploring the Mariotti thing—and a few days later, caught Michael Miner’s June 30 Hot Type column on Mariotti. As far as I know, Miner turned out to be the only writer who took an interest in it. (I’m excluding Greenstein from the list, as he used his June 27 piece to promote Jay The Joke. And Dirk Johnson’s piece for Chicago Magazine came along much later.)

On the other hand, I am still left wondering what sustains Jay The Joke, now approaching its six-month anniversary. By SUSTAINS, I don’t mean financially. I mean interest-wise and energy-wise. To repeat what I noted previously: It can’t be the content of Mariotti’s columns that sustains this interest. Because as with most of what he and his colleagues write, the content is too ephemeral. So what factors are involved?

(Personally, I think Mariotti’s last really good column was the one he wrote after the bean-ball incident between the Sox and Rangers in Texas: “Judgment call: Time to worry about Ozzie” (June 16).)

It’s a shame that Jay The Joke deleted (or simply lost) all of the comments to its website that predated its conversion to its new home. They would have made a great sample for anybody wanted to study the phenomenon of weird-Internetedness.


David Peterson
Chicago

Tue Nov 07, 08:11:00 AM  
Blogger Unknown said...

David,

A simple question to you that may help provide a sensible response in turn.

Do you consider yourself a FAN of Chicago Sports, aside from the nature of business and politics such as your criticism of Jerry Reinsdorf?

Tue Nov 07, 08:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you are really still flummoxed as to what sustains the site after reading my above post and my introductory post on jaythejoke from last Monday, I throw my hands in the air like I'm a true playa. If you don't get that reference, ask Jay about Google-searching song lyrics--he's an expert.

Best of luck to you. Now get out there and dig up those Republican skeletons. I'm sure your next Bush-bashing piece will be your most original and thought-provoking yet. America waits with baited breath.

robnail

Tue Nov 07, 04:26:00 PM  
Blogger Brule Laker said...

Since when is "Jay the Joke" a blog about foreign policy? We don't post there to discuss the world geopolitical situation; in fact, I would say most of us Creatures could care less about posting our opinions on these subjects unless it's in a proper forum. "Jay the Joke" ain't one of them.

Wed Nov 08, 07:50:00 AM  
Blogger A Personal Ad said...

Gentlemen:

This particular website contains exactly what it states in its title: A quick response to something that was posted to another website. Since the comments-facility at the other website wasn’t working properly when I tried to post my response, I simply slapped it up here.

However, my response is neither pro- nor anti-Jay Mariotti. For the other website to classify it as ANTI- is a reach to say the least. But so it goes.


David Peterson
Chicago

Wed Nov 08, 09:48:00 AM  
Blogger A Personal Ad said...

Robnail (Mon Nov 06, 11:33:46 AM):

Mine isn’t a “there are bigger fish to fry in the world” point. Or a “betterment of mankind” point. Not at all. (Just between ourselves, whenever I hear talk of the “betterment of mankind,” I make sure my wallet is still in my pocket. And look for the door.)

We all have various interests. And I’m not suggesting that the time and energy people devote to the Jay The Joke website should be spent any way other than how they chose to spend it.

Mine is a different point. Namely, what is it that SUSTAINS what you in your third paragraph called a “public forum started by a special interest group designed to strike back at a person that the group feels does not represent their interests well”?

If this particular Sun-Times’s sports columnist doesn’t “represent” someone’s interests (does not express someone’s point of view, and the like), then why not dismiss his work and be done with him? Why dedicate multiple websites and nearly six months worth of labor to attacking him?

All of the reasons I’ve come across strike me as disingenuous. From the very first day I read Teddy Greenstein’s account of it in the June 27 Chicago Tribune.

Suppose you believe that Jay Mariotti ranks among the worst sports columnists working in the United States today. Or suppose that the Weird Internet Creatures truly believe that Mariotti is a complete fucktard.

Then why bother with him? What keeps a specific group of people sufficiently motivated to return to the work of a particular sports columnist over and over again, attacking him and him alone out of a whole field of sports columnists? (Except in those cases when alleged fans of the same sports columnists were attacked in like fashion.)

So I’m telling you straight up that NO ONE needs to defend the various websites against the charge that they don’t lead to the “betterment of mankind.” Because this isn’t the point.

Instead, the point is that one or more websites have dedicated close to six months to attacking a particular sports columnist who, by the testimony of the very people attacking him, writes columns that are bullshit. Laughable. Dismissible. Not worth the newsprint they’re published on.

So why bother? What sustains this dedication?

Who’s threatened by Mariotti’s words?


David Peterson
Chicago

Wed Nov 08, 12:29:00 PM  
Blogger Unknown said...

David,

You writing Fucktard is simply priceless.

Thank you so much.

Can we quote that?

Do you not find a double standard is being applied between his last two columns* concerning Urlacher and James?

His attitude reeks of bigotry.

Just curious.

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